Transcript: Steve Wernick – how cancer changed my life (Max#50)


Kevin: Welcome to Maximise Potential the podcast to educate and motivate through a range of original interviews designed to help you maximise your potential.  Brought to you in association with the award winning recruitment group Jenrick.

Welcome back to Episode 50 of the Maximise Potential Podcast.  Sharing the stories of those who have faced adversity in their lives has been a key undertone since we launched the Podcast.
In relation to this, one topic that continues to affect more people directly as well as indirectly is cancer.
Macmillan Cancer Support stated that a decade ago about a third of people, developed cancer at some point in their lives. However the charity’s latest research shows that figure has risen to more than 40%.

In today’s interview we meet Steve Wernick, who shares his story of facing and beating cancer, whilst going onto explain how living through this chapter of his life changed how he approached and prioritised his family, his career, his decision-making and himself.
Steve I would like to welcome you to the Maximise Potential Podcast.


Steve: It’s a pleasure to be here.

Kevin: You are living testament of something that is affecting up to 1 in 4 men and that’s cancer. You’ve lived through it, you’ve come out the other side and by your own admission it had a pretty huge impact on how you addressed life, how you approached life and you have made a number of changes to your life as a result of going through it and coming out the other side. Although we are not here to turn around and say that you’ve climbed Everest as a result of it and.

Steve: I’d like to.

Kevin: But I think it’s about the daily impact that it’s had on your life and about how you process information, how you process decisions now and how you evaluate decisions that probably its had the biggest impact on hasn’t it?

Steve: Oh absolutely yeah.

Kevin: And I think the more we can share about that story today the better. So shall we start with the big ‘C’ word in that respect? Shall we start with cancer and talk about that and talk about how that all came about and impact it had on your life.

Steve: It was, um, it was very sudden. I think it would be an understatement. Friday night I was at a friend’s house and we all had a bbq, had a few drinks, we were playing on the trampoline, the children were there. It was just normal Friday night out. Saturday morning I woke up and all my testicles were swollen. It was as simple as that. One was about a third bigger than the other. It wasn’t there the day before. It was just odd.  I assumed I had knocked it the night before, thought I would give it a few days and see what happens. By the Wednesday nothing had changed. I phoned the doctor. I went to see an oncologist. He examined me. The first thing he did was point at one of my testicles and said ‘that’s coming off’. Which you can imagine is a bit of a shock. Then started talking about my future treatment.

I think the good thing about this is that they are very direct. There is no nice way of telling somebody that so they came to the point. So my future treatment, I started to question treatment for what? I said why? He said you’ve got cancer didn’t you know. That was the first time it really struck before that I assumed some knock, I assumed nothing too seriously. I only then questioned the decision. You examined me for a few minutes and then tell me I’ve got cancer how do you work that one out.

You had an ultrasound in the afternoon and that showed the swellings there. Had a CT scan the following day on the Friday and that showed my lymph nodes were swollen as well. Had an operation on the Monday. So it was all a whirlwind so there was no time to sit and ponder it just all happened. And then on the Friday I went on holiday because it was pre booked and they were fine about two weeks away. They just said don’t lift too much which was quite handy. So we had two weeks away and while I was away we got the results back and it showed the cancer markers had increased since the operation. Basically it was active elsewhere. At which point they had already explained that the process was operation then potentially chemo followed by potentially a second operation to remove the lymph node which is quite a major operation and I just assumed we would have to go through the whole process. So when they said chemo it was, I expected that anyway. Came back and I think one of the problems with chemo is no one knows what to expect. So the doctor gives you a list of potential side effects. You may lose your taste, you may get ulcers, you may get a whole list of effects. They cannot tell you which ones you are going to get or to what degree.

Unless you know somebody or you have been through it before you are just completely lost because they can’t tell you. It’s different to everybody. So you do all the usual stuff like I need to get my car serviced because I don’t know what I’m going through will it be okay. Get the children to school etc, etc. So we gave it two weeks started chemo. Went through that whole saga which was not as bad as I thought it would be.

Kevin: How long did it go on for?

Steve: It went on for nine weeks. I had something called BEP which is basically them injecting foreign bodies into your body. So Bleomycin, Etoposide and Cisplatin one of which is mercury. Sorry not mercury platinum. So they are injecting metals into your body to kill the disease effectively.

The problem you have with dealing with cancer, the way you treat it is you treat the cells that act like cancer cells and cancer cells are fast replicating cells but so is your immune system so you can’t treat one without sort of pretty much destroying the other one.

Kevin: Right.

Steve: Which is why people who go through chemo they are very fatigued. Because your body is using all the energy it has got to fight the disease and try and rebuild its white blood cells and go through that process. It is hard to conceive what fatigue is until you have actually been through that. I have done some silly things, great adventures but nothing compared to the actual exhaustion you feel at times. I passed out on my birthday actually I had just done too much. I walked a couple of miles, I am quite impatient, I mean I played rugby through the whole process. I was working; I was trying to live as normal a life as possible. I think I over did it and my body just said we’ve had enough we’re going to stop now. So I think I got a lift from that.

But went through it, so went through the three cycles. One of the highest things is boredom. You are on a drip for 48 hours which turns into three days and you are just sat there. You can’t go anywhere you are in hospital.

Kevin: And this is how the chemo works in that respect?

Steve: So the three cycles. Basically it is a three week cycle. The first week you are on a drip for 48 hours and that is switching between the drugs and they are rehydrating you as well. So a lot of the time you are being rehydrated and you learn very quickly that 1000 mltr bag takes 1.25/hr to drain. But if you ask the nurse very, very nicely she does it in 1.66 which means you get two hours of your life back. So these are things I usually use to try and keep me sane while I’m going through that.

The following week is injection and the following week. So there is only really one week where you are stuck in. You do the three cycles and then you wait for the results.

It was an interesting time and it was full of black humour as well. I got a call from the ward sister just before I started chemo and I will always remember she said to me ‘don’t think of it as a death sentence’. I went thanks for that I wasn’t but now you’ve bought the topic up. And yeah we went through chemo and I finished mid to late October, four weeks later got a phone call from the doctor, expecting a phone call saying sorry mate you’re having an operation, saying you got the all clear. I have got to admit I was surprised with that, I always assume the worse.

Kevin: So literally end to end of that chapter of your life is probably what a six month total period?

Steve: July to November from being exceptionally healthy, being too old as well because it is a young man’s disease so it is normally mid 20s, I was in my late 30s. But there were no tell tale signs beforehand it was just work up one day, swelling, no aches and pains, no lumps, just swollen.

Kevin: Funnily enough that is what I was going to take you back and actually ask you because I mean you’ve, I know you said it was a bit like a whirlwind when you went in to see the consultant and that’s sort of how I feel right now because you have just taken me through this sort of five month period of your life which is just phenomenal. I am going to just try and go back a bit and just break it down. So you had no warning signs?

Steve: No.

Kevin: You didn’t feel?

Steve: No not a single thing. Literally woke up one morning and literally my testicle was swollen and that was the start of it there was nothing beforehand at all.

Kevin: And the reason I am asking that I guess because it is a useful lesson for other people to know. This is a prime example of look you don’t have to feel pain; you don’t have to feel illness to have cancer.

Steve: Yeah I think the problem with testicular, it is somewhere very personal. It is not somewhere people are necessarily happy talking about or happy showing the doctor. You have got to get over that. Doctor sees it all day long. If you are ever concerned the first thing is just go and see a doctor.  It is not the first one they are going to see and it is not the last one they are going to see. Not worth even considering, it shouldn’t cross people’s mind but it does.

Kevin: Exactly and I just think that’s the first thing I just wanted to ask. The second thing though was, and it’s not going to go in the right order, but you guys went on holiday shortly after everything.

Steve: Yeah it was great.

Kevin: Go on tell me about that because you were going on holiday at a time when everything is up in the air.

Steve: What are you going to do? I can sit at home mop around and wait for the results or I can sit in Spain in the sun by a pool and enjoy myself. There is no mileage to be sat there worrying about what is going on. I can’t impact the outcome. The outcome is going to be what it is. I might as well make the most of the time and it was going to be two weeks before the results came through.

Kevin: So what was going through your mind throughout those two weeks?

Steve: Well Sangria really. I think I don’t know if my approach and my attitude was abnormal it was just the way I dealt with it. A friend of mine phoned me up on the drive to see the oncologist I couldn’t talk to him so I called him on the way back. Mid way through telling him what happened I couldn’t talk to him I had to hang up, I was in tears. And that was probably the only time I sort of broke up. When I got home and told my wife the same again cracked up for a bit. Other than that it was just well I can’t change the outcome all I can do is be as positive as possible, as healthy as possible and then the results are the results. Worrying isn’t going to change the outcome. Sitting her stressing about it, running through scenarios in my mind isn’t going to change the outcome. The outcome is going to be what it is going to be. So what is the point of worrying about it, it’s not logical.

Kevin: Is that how you have always approached stuff because I am just trying to piece this together because I hate to say this but I think the majority of people would have sat there and worried. And we know for a fact that lots of people do sit there and worry themselves to death about all sorts of things but that is why I am just trying to understand why it is like that for you?

Steve: I think most people worry about things that haven’t happened, won’t happen. I still worry about small things. I don’t worry about big things anymore because big things. You can worry about the little stuff but the big stuff doesn’t really matter so much. I think most stress is caused by worrying about things which will never happen and do never happen. We sit there while things run through our minds – what if that happens, what if that happens, what if one of my children hurt themselves what would I do. Well it will probably never happen and you probably won’t do that anyway. So most of the stress we cause for ourselves is self imposed and pointless. If anything actually happens seriously you just deal with it. Well that has been my experience anyway.

Kevin: There has been a number of times now where I have always said on this podcast we are just here to understand you. We don’t come on here to preach to other people about what to do with their lives we are just here to tell stories about how people approach your own or how you approach your life.

Steve: As a family we are exactly the same we just get on with stuff. I mean we’ve had all sorts of things go on over the last few years illnesses. I think my wife is trying to compete with me. After my cancer she had epilepsy and a collapsed lung. I still think my one beats her two but we just get on with it.  She said I’m just off to hospital with a collapsed lung to come back four days later. We’ve got a family. The most important thing is keeping your family going you can’t just drop everything. Maybe it is how we cope with stuff.

Kevin: Are you guys blaze? You don’t strike me as someone whose blaze happy go lucky and just accepts what life throws.

Steve: No not at all. But again you’ve got to deal with things. You can make a drama out of it. I could drag both my children out of bed to get them dressed to take them to the hospital with my wife while she sat on a stretcher for several hours waiting to get seen to or the children are at home in their bed where they should be, she can go off and get it sorted out. And it’s not me not caring; not loving it is how she wants it. I used to drive myself to chemo because we’ve all got lives especially with a family it is very different. We have got to keep things as normal for your children as much as you can.

Kevin: You said, you mentioned very briefly that throughout the entire period when you were going through treatment that you kept coaching the rugby and doing other aspects of your life. Is this part of that whole process of just keeping it going as normal?

Steve: Well what else are you going to do? Are you going to sit at home and watch television for three months? It wasn’t stopping me doing things. I would get quite tired sometimes. Sometimes I would leave work early; sometimes I wouldn’t feel like going in. So I could fit my work around me. I wouldn’t know what else to do; we just get on with stuff. It’s just a practical approach to life really.

Kevin: Let me ask you another question then how did other people who were outside of your immediate family understand and react to what you were going through but also, no what their perception of what you were going through and also how you were handling it?

Steve: I think it is very difficult for other people. As the person who is going through it you’ve got a duty to put other people at ease. They don’t know how to talk to you, they don’t know how to treat you, they don’t know what to say, they don’t want to say the wrong thing, they don’t know what to do, they don’t want to upset you. And they don’t know how you are going to take certain things. So you have to go on a front foot and take it to them. And the only way to do that is to inject humour into it. You’ve got to be able to take the mic out of yourself and laugh at yourself. Use a lot of humour and it puts people at ease. Because you say things that they are thinking – I never had much hair anyway and my hair fell out and I got grumpy and no one noticed. I got no sympathy at all because most people didn’t know I had cancer.  And you have to laugh. One thing they tell you for the chemo is your hair can grow back a different colour and it can come back curly. And all I could think was Ronald McDonald how cruel would that be. But you have to make people laugh and you have to put them at ease. Just a question to you, I’m going to turn this roundabout, what’s your perception of what chemo actually is? Because most people don’t know. I had a friend come to visit me in hospital he walked in the room and went is that it on a drip. So what were you expecting an iron lung. Unless you have been through it or been through it with somebody close to you there is no concept of what it is. There is often a misunderstanding and I didn’t know either I’d never been around it, never understood. A steep learning curve really.

Kevin: Just a very steep learning curve, so steep in fact you were out the other side before you realised it was probably still going on.

Steve: Which I think is probably a good thing really isn’t it. You haven’t got time to ponder.

Kevin: When you were given the all clear, well when you received that call five months later, is that the all clear, I don’t believe it is is it?

Steve: Yeah it’s not active in your body anymore. At that point you are on checkups every three months and then it goes on to six months and now it is yearly. We are now at the six years, pretty much five years you say there is as much chance of me catching cancer as anybody else. It is a completely random act.

Kevin: Did you ever contemplate the fact that you could die with this did it enter your mind?

Steve: Very briefly.

Kevin: Only briefly though.

Steve: Yeah. I’m a cyclist I could get knocked off tomorrow. You can die from lots of things. You can get run over by a bus as well. Again it was very simple and very bold logic, the numbers were in my favour they vary between 5 and 20% chance of not going through the other end, they were quite good odds, I’d buy a lottery ticket based on those odds. So what’s the point in worrying about something that is statistically unlikely to happen. Yes it could happen but lots of things could happen. Again how is worrying about it, mulling it over and creating stress over it going to help. You have to be positive and you have to go through these things in a positive manner or it drives you mad.

Kevin: How did you feel coming out the other side, I know for a fact that it did have an impact on how you want to approach the rest of your life. Go on give me some examples of that.

Steve: I think it has a massive impact or it did for me anyway. I think the big fundamental change is you believe, you no longer believe you are immortal. You never contemplate dying, you might think about it in your dark moments but you never really think about it. I think the biggest change for me was stop procrastinating. It is very easy to make plans and then not follow them through because I can do it next year, do it the year after. When something happens you realise there might not be a next year. There might not be a year after so I’m not going to wait. I’m not going to look back and say I wish I had done those things. And that was a big change I absolutely fundamentally refuse to do that. So going through treatment midway through I had booked myself to trek to Machu Picchu.

Kevin: Midway through the treatment you did this.

Steve: Yes going through chemo I booked myself to trek to Machu Picchu. I did that. So I got the all clear in the November and I did that in the April sort of Easter time. I wanted to, I’ve got a big map in my study room, it’s about 3m x 2m, it’s full of pins and I want to put lots more pins in that board. And that was one of the big changes I want to go and see places. We live in a fascinating world that most of us will never see because we are too busy working. We are too busy worrying about the wrong things. And I want to go and see things, I want to have experiences. I can’t take money with me but I want to get to that end point with lots of experiences and have done fascinating things and seen things that other people have seen on the internet. And I am very, very fortunate in the respect that my wife gets the change in me we’ve been married for 16 years now, 10 years in our life turns upside down and my outlook changes. She gets the fact that I need to do these things, she doesn’t feel she needs to join me though. But she has seen a change and I am very lucky that she is very supportive of that and the family is supportive of that.

Kevin: I was going to ask you actually how did it change the or if it did change the dynamic in your family and the whole relationship side of the family you know particularly with the children and with your wife and you just approach family life after.

Steve: That’s a great question. Has it changed family life? I think we are quite risk adverse as a family anyway but I think probably less so now. We will go and do things. It is not about saving up for a rainy day if we want to do something we will go and do it. If we want to buy something that makes sense we will buy something. We make decisions very quickly. I think it has changed the pace you do things. I think you do value your time. And it has impacted me more than the rest of them. The children were still very young they didn’t really understand and they still don’t really understand. Not that we have revisited that but we will do at some point when it is more relevant. But for Lisa it is great because we travel a lot more and get to look at places. It is around travel and also it’s about experiences so it is about doing stuff. As you know I like cycling so it’s going out, it’s about challenging myself, it’s what’s the next challenge. But they don’t feel I have to drag them with me. They get that going on adventures, going trekking, doing the three peaks, doing the 15 peaks, doing the cycle runs is my thing.

Kevin: Where did you place that section of your life before cancer?

Steve: Very low down. I went to poly and I finished poly and I went straight into work. And one of my regrets is not doing the travelling thing because not having seen the world at the time. I went on a very odd job, I went to a job which was based on commission only, no holiday pay, no basic pay, don’t sell, don’t matter. It was pretty binary and for ten years. But what that meant is you were very much money driven. If you took a holiday it was double cost the cost of not being there and the cost of paying for the holiday. My first two week holiday was nine years into working there which was my honeymoon. I think I had three other single weeks off the whole ten year period and the odd day. So my priorities were completely different.

Kevin: I was just looking at the expressions on your face it was almost, it looked like a look of disbelief almost looking back on it going I can hardly relate to that now.

Steve: I can’t but it’s one of those point in time things. It was a wonderful experience; it was the most funny environment I have ever worked in with the most funny people. Highly stressful but it was just great. There is a bit of rose tinted glasses but looking back priorities change as you grow up and as you have families and as things happen to you. Would I change it? I don’t know I wouldn’t want to miss what I went through but I certainly would have made more use of my time.

Kevin: And I guess a very valid question would be if you hadn’t had cancer do you think you would have changed your life as much as you have done?

Steve: No. Absolutely not. It has changed the way I think about things. It has changed the way I evaluate my life and my career. It has changed the way I make decisions.

Kevin: Talk about the decisions.

Steve: I had some issues a couple of years ago, in my previous role in my current company, someone I know on the senior management there said to me what’s the worse can happen to you, you’ve been through worse than this. He was absolutely right what is the worse that can happen if I’m making the wrong decision at work I am not going to get cancer. It’s all a scale from there really isn’t it. You can make decisions. What do I want to do, what’s important to me? I think if you turn it on its head and say actually it’s not about the money I want to be successful and I want to do something which is meaningful and of value. If I do that well and it’s successful and part of my big driver was always about being seen by my peers as one who has delivered. I am not a passenger I’m there doing my fair share and I’m respected for doing that. If I can do that the money will look after itself, I won’t have to focus on that, it’s a by product. So my focus has been changed from what the by product is to actually what am I supposed to be doing and why I am doing it. It’s not what I do but why I am doing it. That is the fundamentally important thing.

Kevin: Yeah and you look very energetic when you are saying that so that obviously ticks a box for you.

Steve: I am absolutely passionate about it. Things change the whole time. Things change in life and in business. I think you have got several ways of processing this and you can either ignore change and hope it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t affect you. But it is going to at some point; it will catch up with you. You can embrace change which comes a long which I think a lot of people do which is good and healthy or you can force change. If you are the later you are the master of your destiny. If you go in there and create things you change on your terms. Not change for the sake of it, change because it makes sense and it’s the right thing to do. If you are instigating that change then you are creating your own destiny. If you are willing to take that to an organisation and say I want to do that, this makes sense, this is why I want to do it and justify it then one of two things will happen. One they will say no and you know you are in the wrong place. Or two they will say and you get okay.

Kevin: Carry on because you have done this and you have just reminded me of one thing we spoke about before which is how you’ve created in the jobs you are in.

Steve: Yes.

Kevin: And I had forgotten about that until you just broached this.

Steve: I now work for an organisation which is very progressive which is fundamentally built on the beliefs of the most important asset is people. If you attract the right people, get the right environment you have people who want to be there. If they want to be there people will want to do business with them. You don’t want to deal with somebody who is just there to make up the numbers. If people are passionate about what they do it comes across and it is so obvious that people care about their business, that they believe in their business and the business will grow based on that fundamental idea. It’s great being a party to that. And what that allows you to do is if somebody is wrong you don’t necessarily criticise them but tell them why it is wrong and how to do better. And I have done that twice so far and has created two new roles which has been brilliant because I’ve driven that change and I’ve been part of that and the business is seeing it made sense and they are better.

Kevin: From speaking with you all that comes across time and time again is this sense of urgency within you. I mean I obviously didn’t know you five or six years ago. I have no reference point, I have no bench mark to compare it to but just the way we are talking now there is this urgency that comes about, not an impatience but you seem to have this you know desire to propel yourself forward that is the way you seem to communicate.

Steve: Do you ever sit there, this is great for you to do, this is a great time to do it look back at the last year and say where did that go, that went quickly. That is just so easy to happen. You get to the end and you say what did I do. I get told at birthdays I tend to look back on the year and say what have I achieved. I used to be quite miserable at birthdays and look back and say I’ve not done a great deal. I want to look back on the year and say I’ve done loads. I’ve set my challenges, I’ve done what I wanted to do, I’ve achieved, could have done better, because you could always do better, why waste time.

Kevin: Do you have like a structured goal list or something? I know you said you’ve got your big map which you often I imagine scanning all the time but how does it work for you?

Steve: As you know I am a fan of this podcast anyway, I have listened to quite a few of them and I listened to one of Bonita’s ones and she was talking about setting targets, writing them down because they become real. And also about publicising them as well. I tell people I am going to do things and I have done it in my career as well because it sets you up on a pedestal. If you don’t tell people about it you can go oh I didn’t do that. Last year my target was I had to do 5000km cycling last year. I was doing quite well, start of December I had to travel for a bit and then my son broke his arm and so I realised I’d got two weeks and 265 miles to do. I finished on 5037km on New Year’s Eve. And part of that was actually you know what I could have said it was 3000 miles but I had already done that number but part of me was thinking actually I could come on this podcast I can’t not do it that would just be embarrassing. For me it is writing targets down and telling my friends about them. Let people know you can do them, tell them you are going to do them. There is no turning back then – oh I’ve got a cold can’t do it sorry.

Kevin: And how do you feel, the fact that you know that you’ve got the 5000 under your belt in a situation where you probably didn’t think I’ve got enough time left to do this? How does it make you feel at the end of it?

Steve: That was great. This is something which I am going to approach about because a challenge is something you haven’t done before and the feeling of euphoria you know you got into challenges just because you felt you should be doing it because of the people you are talking to. You get to the end of it and you just feel so good about yourself. I don’t think we challenge ourselves as individuals enough. Whether that is cycling 200 miles or doing a bungee jump or whether that is doing an exam or whatever it is I don’t think we push ourselves as far as we probably could do. We sort of take second best well we’ll do a 50 mile cycle, we know we can do it really it’s not as difficult as it could be. I want to create a new organisation where I’m in where we create local challenges. I want to take it to the business and discuss it with them where we create a community where people actually feel that they can push themselves and have the support. Because part of it is not knowing, how do I start it, how do I do it, what if it goes wrong, I don’t want to do it by myself. Well actually if you can create an environment around you of people of like minded talents, abilities, mindsets I think people would be more inclined to go out and say I’m going to do that.  I really fancy that.

Kevin: Let me ask you what do you think it will actually give the business?

Steve: I think it will have people that really believe the business cares and they do anyway because we give a great place to work all over the world and are in the top five globally. We are passionate about that. Because people have a belief in themselves. You have got to believe that you can set your mind that you can do it. That’s a very powerful tool. Any of us that believe that we can do things, you translate that into a business world, you go and see a customer what’s to be afraid of. People have pushed themselves beyond where they thought. You put that in a business world you’ve got people who believe in themselves who fill the business beliefs, that’s a great feeling.

Kevin: Let me ask you a question now about cramming in because you seem to be someone that just wants to cram life in.

Steve: It winds my wife up massively. I hate sitting still. We’re back where we started – we are here for a finite amount of time, we don’t know how long that is going to be I just want to do things. I just want to experience things. Have I got enough time to do them well don’t know. Because a lot of the things I do are quite energetic and I want to go and do some cycling nearly 1000 miles. But how much longer can I do these things for? Can I do them when I am 65 I don’t know so I need to do them now while I’ve still got the physical fitness to carry them off.  It is not getting any easier.

Kevin: And that’s what I love about it, it’s just the fact that everything you speak about is don’t wait for tomorrow get going with it now. If you have got an urge to do something get going with it now.  Good advice. Final thing I’m going to finish on then I ask everybody and you know this because you listen to the podcast what is the golden takeaway that you live your life by to help you maximise your potential?

Steve: Can I have two please?

Kevin: For an exception to the rule and the simple fact that I have no choice in the matter because you are going to say two anyway yes you may have two.

Steve: I think the first one is don’t procrastinate. Don’t put things off, don’t make exhaustive plans just go and do things. You never know what it going to happen tomorrow so just do things.  The second one is and this is from personal experience, I did the three peaks in 24.5 hours, it’s supposed to be 24 hours. I climbed Kilmando, got to the very top through various things. You don’t always finish, you don’t always complete what you set out to do. That is not the important bit. The important bit is you gave it a damn good try and you have gone out and attempted it and given it your best shot.  So don’t be afraid of failure. We don’t always succeed every single time. If we don’t try in the first place you are never going to succeed.

Kevin: Steve thank you very much for coming on the Maximise Potential podcast.

Steve: Been an absolute pleasure.


Kevin: Steve thanks very much for providing such a detailed insight into your life and the events that have played such an essential role in how your life has been shaped in recent years. I personally took an incredible array of notes and messages from Steve’s interview and I’ll attempt to share some of them with you right now.

I took note of what Steve said about how most of us worry about things that have not happened and will probably not happen. And as a result we create completely avoidable stress in our lives by playing out scenarios in our mind time and time again.

Also the fact that Steve said the biggest change for him was to stop procrastinating. How he described how easy it is to make plans and not follow them through because there is always tomorrow. But as Steve has realised what if there isn’t a tomorrow.

Then the advice that Steve left us with at the end of his interview just to get out and do things and don’t worry if they don’t turn out the way you expected. Finishing is not the most important bit but giving it a go is.

And finally to not be afraid of failure. You are not going to succeed all the time but if you don’t try something in the first place you’ll never succeed.  I am looking forward to catching up with Steve again very soon when we both take part in Andy North’s Landsend to John O’Groats world record attempt in July where Andy and the Ultra6 team will run a marathon of 22.6 miles each morning and then cycle 100 miles in the afternoon each day for six days to complete the course and set a new world record in the process.  To learn more please visit which you will also find in the show notes for this episode.

Without wishing to let this landmark episode slip by without some form of special mention we have created a downloadable PDF infographic packed full of memorable quotes from a selection of the incredible guests who have appeared with us over the last couple of years.  And also for our music track for this episode we are very pleased to have secured a track from Moby called ‘Wait for Me’.

Thank you all for your listenership over the last 50 episodes and thank you also to the Jenrick Recruitment Group for making it possible to have created such an inspirational resource. Please remember as you click through the show notes for information on this episode plus also for the links to connect with us on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook.  Thank you so much again for listening and good bye for now.


About the Author

Hi, I'm Tom Burkinshaw, I co-produce the Maximise Your Potential Podcast and Website and my goal is to help as many people as possible be successful in life, careers and business, by offering free coaching and mentoring through a series of unique interviews from inspiring people who all display exceptional self-belief, mental toughness and desire to achieve. Thank you for taking the time to visit Maximise Your Potential!