Transcript: Roz Savage – record Breaking Ocean Rower (Max#40)

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Kevin: Welcome to Maximise Potential the podcast to educate and motivate through a range of original interviews designed to help you maximise your potential. Brought to you in association with the award winning recruitment group Jenrick.

Welcome back to episode 40 of the Maximise Potential Podcast. To those who looked in at the life of Roz Savage several years ago they would have seen someone who appeared to have had it all – the A grade graduate, the successful Management Consultant, living the central London lifestyle that goes with that career. Yet, little did they know how out of place Roz felt in this life and how she was constantly facing an array of internal battles with herself.
In our interview today we embark upon the journey Roz undertook in order to discover who she really was and what her life’s path should be. A path that has led her to become one of the most acclaimed solo ocean rowers in the world.
There was only a very small window where I could catch up with Roz to record this interview, which we did at the Thames Rowing Club in Putney. As a result, there is a little bit more background noise than normal, including some clinking as the Bar was re-stocked, so please accept my apologies for that. Please enjoy the interview.
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Roz Savage I would like to welcome you to the Maximise Potential Podcast.

Roz: Thank you very much great to be here.

Kevin: We are sitting today in sunny Putney overlooking the Thames. It’s a place which you hold dear in your life because you have spent a lot of time here and a lot of time rowing up and down the Thames.

Roz: Absolutely I used to row out of this very Rowing Club, Thames Rowing Club for several years after I first moved to London way back in 1989.

Kevin: And of course if I am to take you back to then, that was when you had a very different life.

Roz: Yes when I graduated from Oxford I didn’t really know what I wanted to do with my life but way back then seemed like everybody of my generation with that sort of an education wanted to be an Investment Banker or a Management Consultant. And so I thought well I’ll be a Management Consultant, it will help me pay off my debts and it will do as a stop gap until I figure out what I really want to do when I grow up. But unfortunately you then end up in this kind of salary trap. You just get so hooked on that security and you never somehow feel like you are getting paid enough and if you just stick with it a bit longer you’ll get paid a bit more and it just becomes this sort of treadmill. And so over the course of the next 11 years I worked for three different companies and each time I was changing jobs there was an opportunity there to take a break from this job that I wasn’t really enjoying but each time I would sort of look at my bank balance and look at the sort of house that I wanted to buy and realise that I had to keep climbing that greasy career pole if I ever wanted to live in that kind of a house. I was so driven by the whole materialistic dream and just spent all those years doing a job I didn’t like to buy stuff that ultimately I didn’t need.

Kevin: Talk a bit more about that. I think to a lot of people they think it is an extremely idealistic statement to make that you are not driven, that you are no longer driver by materialistic assets because that is what we are bought up to look at as a statement of how well we are doing. I mean it is only natural for you to have got yourself on that treadmill as you say.

Roz: Well I think for me it was partly a reaction against my parents. They were both Methodist Minsters and it is not the kind of job you go into for the money and I had just, I suppose always felt that the grass was greener. I felt that money would buy me happiness. When I was 16 it was the first time I ever went to America, my father did a work exchange with a Methodist Minister in San Diego and the standard of living that I saw out there in Southern California was just phenomenal compared with everything that I was used to. It just blew my mind at that very formative age and I really wanted some of that.

Kevin: Then after X number of years of doing it, as you say about 11 years of doing it you then did begin to question it.

Roz: I think I had actually been questioning it pretty much from day one. I can remember that first day putting on my pinstripe 1980s power suit and going to work in the office and just feeling like I was wearing fancy dress. Like pretending to be a grown up when on the inside I felt quite a different person.

Kevin: You knew right from the off that it wasn’t right but you just didn’t have a better solution at the time.

Roz: That is pretty much it. My first company was Anderson Consulting as they were then and they had this very cruel acronym PURE – Previously Undetected Recruiting Error. And I think on the inside I always felt that I was PURE. It is like what am I doing in this place, I don’t really belong here, everyone else seemed so glossy and so professional. I felt like I was just faking it and I don’t think I ever really felt comfortable in that corporate world but I was desperate to try and conform. Maybe again, sounds like I am blaming my parents for everything but I do also credit them for quite a few things too, but because we moved house so much when I was growing up I always seem to be the odd one out, the new kid, the one with the accent that wasn’t the same as everybody else’s accents. And just for once in my life I wanted to be normal, I wanted to just be like everybody else. And so I was desperately just trying to conform. I was afraid I think to stand out from the crowd. I was afraid to be really me and.

Kevin: Did you know who you were at the time?

Roz: No. I guess that is a large part of it. I didn’t know, it’s a work in progress still but I think I am getting closer to being the real me. Now that I am resolving that conflict between the person that I am on the inside and the person that I am on the outside I am just so much happier and so much more relaxed with myself. And I think that was really what precipitated the crisis to the extent was this growing incongruence between the internal me and the external me.

Kevin: You just felt like you were probably fighting something all the time were you?

Roz: I did, I can remember towards the end of my time in the City when I was working for an Investment Bank. And I can remember standing on a train platform waiting to get on to the commuter train to go into the office and just feeling like every fibre of my being was saying run away. It just felt like that feeling you have at school when you have got the class with your least favourite teacher or your worst subject and you just really, really, you want to get the sick note, you don’t want to go into school. That was how I felt at the age of 34. Something had to give really.

Without wanting to sound over dramatic about it but I felt like my soul was being eroded with every day that I went into the office. The work that I was doing just didn’t really mean anything to me; it was purely a means to a financial end. I was just so hung up on this belief that the big house and all the stuff that would go into it, that that was going to make me happy. That’s why I tolerated this job for so many years after I should have been out of there and finding something that resonated with my values more. I just couldn’t quite free myself from that deep held belief. Maybe I will turn away from blaming my parents for this one and blame Margaret Thatcher that it was all about you know home ownership and that yuppie lifestyle that was still very dominant when I graduated. It was that era of Wall Street the movie when greed was good and lunch was for wimps.

Kevin: But as you say once you are in to it, it is like a treadmill, it is very difficult to see a way out of it apart from going up and up because you make that lifestyle bigger and bigger and bigger and you get swept up into it.

Roz: You really do and it is difficult to even find the headspace to really think about where you are going with your life to actually step back and look at it objectively and ask yourself am I on course for the kind of life that I want. Because you are working these long hours in the office and then you go out and party like it is 1999 on a Friday night, you spend most of Saturday recovering and most of Sunday feeling depressed about having to go back into the office again. Yeah it was just difficult to get that separation from that kind of daily and weekly grind. And before you know it 11 years has gone past.

Kevin: Incredible and then you decided to take a step to actually look at that and you conducted a little exercise, a little personal exercise that set everything going.

Roz: I did. One day I decided to write two versions of my own obituary. And so the two versions, the first one was the kind of life that I wanted to have and the second version was the one I was actually heading for if I carried on as I was at that time. And I can remember how I felt as I was writing that fantasy obituary. It wasn’t specific about details, it certainly didn’t mention ocean rowing but it was very much about the kind of person that I wanted to be. And I love reading the obituaries about people who just really seem to get out there and embrace life. They would try anything and it might succeed spectacularly or it might fail spectacularly but regardless of which way it went they would just go for it. They just had this amazingly proactive and energetic love of life. I really admired that. They were the kind of people who seemed to fit several different life times into one. They would keep reinventing themselves. They wouldn’t allow themselves to get pigeon holed or type cast. And it just seemed to me like an amazing way to live your life. And as I was writing this I just got more and more excited and the pen was flying across the paper and when I got to the end of it I was like wow what a great life I’ve had. And I had to remind myself hang on that is just the fantasy life that is not the one you are actually living. But there was something about it that just felt so real and so authentic to me that I almost believed that that had been my life. I really engaged with that fantasy obituary.

And then the second one that I wrote, the one that I was actually heading for.

Kevin: Just before you do that, just talk a bit more about the fantasy one, about how real it seemed, where was it real? Could you see it or did you feel it or was it a combination of both?

Roz: It was an emotional connection with it because like I say it wasn’t really specific enough for me to be visualising anything in particular. It was just my imagining of how it would feel to be living that kind of life, or to be looking back on that kind of a life and going wow what a ride. And something else really important that came out of that for me was that it gave me permission to fail. Like I say I was sort of cursed by a good education and I got so used to succeeding I suppose, I was used to passing exams at the first attempt, I was used to getting A’s and I think in my adult life I had just become afraid to fail. I didn’t want to try a career change in case it didn’t work out. And somehow by writing that obituary that was based on these accounts of people that I admired the ones who had failed big or succeeded big I realised that it is okay to fail and that if you are getting out there and living life large then from time to time almost inevitably you are going to fail. If you are just always staying within what’s safe and what’s known that is a great way not to fail but it is also a great way never really to accomplish anything. So that was really incredibly liberating for me.

Kevin: And did you find then that when you compared it to your, we will call it your existing path, that did fall within this not really stretching yourself, not going outside of.

Roz: Exactly.

Kevin: Go on.

Roz: When I wrote that second obituary, the one that I was actually heading for you know it was a nice enough life, it was what we tend to think of as secure financially secure and domestically secure. At the time I was writing this I was married and mortgaged and salaried but it was really, I don’t want to say boring, it just wasn’t really what I wanted my life to look like. I think in that moment when I looked at those two obituaries side by side and particularly when I thought about how I had felt as I had written each one I realised then that I was going to end up, if I didn’t change something quite dramatically I was going to end up feeling really rather disappointed at the end of my life and wouldn’t that just be the worst way to be, to look back and go oh well that wasn’t really quite what I wanted.

Kevin: But the key thing there is you then did something about it. What was first?

Roz: Well I wish I could tell you that the day after writing those two obituaries I immediately turned my life around and went into the office and told my boss where to shove his job and transformed everything but that would be a lie. I was terrified when I wrote those two obituaries. I think I realised that this had some pretty massive implications for my life.

Kevin: Okay can I just add though you even just saying you were terrified, that is what we try and understand on this podcast. On a movie then it would have happened as you just said which is you would stroll into the office even that morning and say just forget about it I am out of here and the for sale sign goes up and everything happens. But this is the real way of doing it and I think you are going to describe it in a way that other people can then go okay so it is not all about yes and no, it is not all about black and white, it hasn’t got to be this way or that way.

Roz: Yeah there is something that I have learnt about fear. There are times when fear is a very natural response to circumstances whether that is talking about a dramatic life change or facing 20ft waves on the ocean but if you can find something else that you are even more afraid of than fear number one then you can find the motivation to do something. So yes I was terrified of change, I think especially I realised that this was probably going to have serious implications for my marriage. But then I became even more afraid of that feeling of disappointment at the end of my life and I think that’s what helped to give me the motivation to make the change. It was sort of the combination of things. I actually had to hit a really low point before I found the courage to make the change.

So after I had done that obituary exercise even after that it was probably another couple of years before I quit my job, partly because it took my husband a while to agree to that, and I then started working as a photographer and was trying to make a living that way. But I just felt like I still wasn’t really getting it. I still wasn’t on the right track for that obituary that I really wanted. And something I am not very proud off, when I say I really had to hit rock bottom before I could start over in a desperate search for happiness I had an affair and it is kind of that feeling of well I thought if I changed my job then that was going to make me happy. Well that hasn’t worked so far I went from being a Management Consultant to being a Photographer and that hasn’t worked so maybe I’m not with the right man. And I think it is so easy to sort of externalise these things. If you are not happy it is easy to blame your job or blame the person that you are with or blame the place where you are living. All these external things. So I made that mistake and what that actually did for me was at one point I was actually prepared to run off with this other man and to start a new life in a different country. And that would have been pretty much throwing away everything. I didn’t know if my parents would still speak to me, didn’t know if our friends would still speak to me, I would be jobless, homeless you know just everything would have changed and thank god my husband managed to talk me out of that. And I didn’t run off but I realised then actually what I wanted was not to run off with Mr Wrong but actually just the chance to start over with a clean sheet of paper. Just go you know what this life I have got so far, can I try this again, can I start over please.

Up until that point it had seemed so difficult just to rip it up and start again but from that very low point where I really had let go of pretty much everything I was then able to gradually build things back up again. Sort of starting from scratch. The marriage was pretty much over by this point so I moved out of the house and so there I am without a job, without any income, without a husband. I suppose casting myself out on the mercy of the universe and waiting to see what would happen. Leaving my husband was the single most terrifying thing I have ever done in my life, that really was hard but it just became necessary because without that, I suppose I just needed to find out who I was. And find out what would make me happy when I wasn’t being somebody’s wife, or somebody’s employee, or somebody’s daughter or somebody’s sister or somebody’s friend. I needed to find out just what made me tick. And I had never really had that opportunity before. I think until you really know who you are it is very difficult to figure out what is going to make you happy.

Kevin: How did you start finding what you wanted to do and who you wanted to be?

Roz: It took a lot of experimenting I mean it is really good that I let go of my fear of failure by this stage because I did more than my fair share of failure. Just tried on various things. I was an organic baker for a while which I really quite enjoyed. At one stage I was going to have a coffee shop and a house boat. At this stage there was just so much going on. I was staying wherever I could live absolute minimum or zero rent. So I spent a while living in an office that was about to be redeveloped, I lived on a boat for a while. I lived in a little sort of Dickensian garret down in Richmond above an Antique shop and just trying on these different lifestyles for size. There was the yoga phase, there was the spiritual phase, there was the rollerblading phase. It was actually fun. I think I had let go of my attachments to being a success and my attachments to what other people thought of me. It was actually quite cool. I was just so much more relaxed about things. Suddenly it was like I was living in a new world and everything seemed just so full of potential because I had done this thing that scared me so profoundly and there had been so much mental anguish leading up to those difficult decisions. And to have done that really scary thing and emerged from the other side of the crisis I look back and think well that wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be. It just, I thought if I can do that one thing that scared me so much and live to tell the tale then what other things might there be out there that I have been too afraid to try in the past, maybe I should have a go at those as well.

I was just, I sound a bit evangelical but it was just like I was starting life over again. It was very exciting and I was aged 34/35 at this time so it was a bit early for a mid life crisis. But if that was a mid life crisis then I think I would actually highly recommend it. Obviously it would have been a bit harder if I had had children. I am very lucky in that I didn’t have any dependants at this stage. I think it would have been terribly, I mean some people might think it was self indulgent of me anyway but I think it probably would have been more difficult if I’d have had people depending on me for food and home whereas all I had to do was look after myself.

Kevin: I think what is interesting is whether people look at it as very self indulgent or not I think your actions over the recent years and what you have accomplished speak for themselves because what you have gone on to accomplish is quite phenomenal and I think that is testament to being able to find your true path and so therefore I don’t think it can be looked at as self indulgent because what you have done, it is not like you are still going round on that circle now and still trying things, trying on what fits and then moving on to the next thing. You tried on what fits, you got over the fear of failure. You learnt to just say oh well that didn’t work rather than.

Roz: Yeah what can I learn from it and then move on. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and try something else.

Kevin: Exactly and you know at the risk of sort of jumping on a bit but how then did you find the challenge to really commit yourself to the rowing?

Roz: During that experimental phase I was narrowing things down; I was finding things that I enjoyed and things that I didn’t enjoy. So during that time I also went on an expedition to Peru. I discovered that I really enjoyed the adventure so that was one element. I enjoyed the physical exertion we were doing a lot of trekking that was something else that really appealed to me. While I was in Peru I also started to tune in to, what can I call it, sort of indigenous wisdom, I spent quite a bit of time with the Peruvian Indians, the Andeans. And they believe as do many indigenous people that we have to take good care of the earth if we want it to look after us. That it is a completely reciprocal arrangement. And having spent all those years as the arch materialist I had just never really thought about the bigger picture. So I sort of had all these ideas going on in my head at the same time of adventure and physical adventure at that and environmental awareness and wanting to be useful in the world and I wouldn’t even say that I came up with the idea of rowing across oceans as my platform. I was just driving along in my campervan that I had at that time living out of the back of it, this idea just came and clobbered me right between the eyes. I knew that ocean rowing existed through the Peruvian expedition; I had met a guy at the Royal Geographical Society here in London who had rowed across the Atlantic with his mother. So I knew there were a few crazy people out there who did this kind of thing but it had never really appealed to me as something but like I say that light bulb just went on over my head and I think I knew within seconds that this was what I was going to do. I was just like this is perfect; this just ticks all the boxes. And then almost immediately I went oh no that is crazy, I mean that is ridiculous I am not the kind of person who goes and rows across oceans.

Kevin: Why did you then say you are not the kind of person to do it?

Roz: Because I had read lots of books about adventurers and they all seemed to be ex military, male, bearded, at least 6ft tall. You know I just didn’t fit the mould when I looked in the mirror in the mornings I just didn’t see a potential adventurer looking back at me. So I had always thought that adventurers were that sort of like uba species over there not mere mortals like me. But the fact that someone’s mum had rowed across an ocean for heaven’s sake just made it seem that much more possible I suppose. And so after a week of trying to talk myself out of this insane idea I realised that actually it had reached that stage where I had started to believe it was actually possible. I think what really clinched it was when I went well what if I was going to row across an ocean, just supposing hypothetically this was something I actually committed to doing. What would I need to do? What books would I read, who would I talk to, how much money would I need to raise, what would I need to buy, what courses would I have to take? And by the time I had written this really massive to do list, even though it was a big list I looked down all the items and I thought well there isn’t actually anything on there that I couldn’t do. When I was a Management Consultant I was basically a project manager, and I go well this is just another project I can manage this.

Kevin: That’s funny I was just going to say that actually. So in essence all you did was just take this big audacious goal that seemed completely out there, that was for somebody else, not for you but something that other people do and all you did was just break it down and look at it in little chunks.

Roz: That’s right and some of those items on the to do list when I first wrote them seemed a bit daunting. What I did then was just break them down into smaller steps, even if it started with like find out the phone number for so and so. I mean just into what would be the first thing I would have to do to make that happen. The first tiny little step and I have really learnt that over the years since then that even the most massive of challenges whether that’s an ocean rowing expedition or an environmental challenge if you just break it down into those tiny little bite size pieces and just start at the top and work your way through it you can do almost anything. But I regularly have to remind myself of this again.

Just to kind of jump forwards a bit at this point to when I set out across the Atlantic having worked my way through that list and got myself safely to the start line I then sort of forgot that lesson. I sort of had a bit of a panic at the start of the voyage. I remember looking at how many miles I had to go and it is about 3,000 miles across the Atlantic. Well I am going about 2 miles an hour so at this rate it is going to take me about, just don’t ever run the numbers in that situation it is a really, really bad idea. I ended up feeling completely overwhelmed, completely demoralised, feeling like a real idiot for having put myself out there in the first place and told everybody I was going to do this, just thinking oh my god what was I thinking. And I had to learn the hard way just to take it one day at a time. To have a very, very clear vision of how amazing it was going to be not just to arrive in Antigua at the end of the Atlantic crossing but in fact where that was going to lead me. That this wasn’t just a single voyage but this was my big stepping stone to a whole new lifestyle. A whole new realm of possibility.

Kevin: And is that what you were thinking about a lot when you were actually rowing?

Roz: Absolutely.

Kevin: Is that where you put the mind.

Roz: That Atlantic was without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever done in my life.

Kevin: Mentally?

Roz: Mentally. Well physically it was hard as well. I got tendinitis in my shoulders within the first week. I had the most painful saltwater boils on my backside. I was just in a world of pain out there. But psychologically it was tremendously tough not least because my sound system broke really early on and so for the best part of three months I had nothing but my own thoughts to keep me occupied. 103 days out there. And the last month of that I had no satellite phone communications either so I was completely alone. It was so tough. It was so boring apart from anything else.

Kevin: Was that what made it tough do you think? Was it the monotony that made it so difficult?

Roz: The monotony and the pain and the scale of it and I think also the very unrealistic expectations that I had going into it. When I set out I was so naive. I was in this wonderful kind of spiritual happy, happy, happy world when I went out there. I was convinced that with a positive enough mental attitude I could enjoy anything and so I was putting this extra pressure on myself to enjoy this voyage. I really, I felt, it had seemed like such a calling when I had that light bulb moment when I decided this was the perfect project for me. I was just convinced that I was going to have this wonderful time out there. And then when the weather started beating me up and all of my oars broke before half way and the stereo broke and my camping stove broke so I had to eat all my food cold I was just like it wasn’t supposed to be like this. I just I couldn’t get my head around why I was finding it so hard. Actually I discovered that humour is a great therapist. Also I just had to give myself permission to be miserable. One day I would just kind of reach this point where I would start laughing at myself. I just, I said out loud ocean rowing just absolutely sucks. And I swore to myself quite a lot and once I had given myself permission to have a miserable time out there it actually really cheered me up. It was whilst I was under this pressure going I should be enjoying this, this should be great that made it just so many times harder.

Kevin: Yeah this is life changing; this is everything I have ever dreamed of.

Roz: Yes and when you go no it sucks but it is a stepping stone to something bigger and better. It is serving a purpose and when it is over and I look back on this it will seem to have actually have been a very short span of time and it is all going to be worth it in the end. I mean I really do believe that the greater the struggle the greater the sense of achievement when you actually accomplish your goal. And the feeling of euphoria that I had when I arrived in Antigua. You know I had worked so hard for this, it had been 14 months of preparation absolutely full on and then three and a half months at sea going I felt to hell and back. But I do believe that the harder you have had to work for something and the more struggle you go through on route to your goal the greater the sense of achievement.

I have since then done another four major ocean crossings including one much longer one, five months but I have never been able to match that euphoria of that first crossing because that was without a doubt the hardest one. I had so much to learn, it was such an intense experience. I learnt so much about the ocean but even more about myself. When you have just got sea and sky for day after day you have got no external stimulation so much stuff comes out from the inside. Those little negative voices in your head and you just, I don’t think you ever really lose those voices but you just find a way to co-exist with them.

Kevin: And how did you do that?

Roz: I found just to acknowledge them I suppose and not to identify so closely with them. So I actually sort of gave them names like Mr Self Doubt and Mr Unselfconfidence and just kind would almost talk to them. Because initially it was like they were in my head, they were a part of me and I really identified emotionally with them and they say that talking out loud is a sign of insanity but I actually found that talking out loud whether it was screaming swear words at the ocean or whether it was talking to these little demons on my shoulder. If I could talk to them out loud it somehow stopped me going down that internal mental spiral. I sort of imagine it as going down the plughole and some days I would allow myself to get way too far down the plughole. If I could just pull myself up short, talk out loud about it, somehow just hearing the sound of my own voice and getting it out there into the real world instead of it all going on in here in my head just really helped. Does that make sense?

Kevin: The main thing is that it helped you and.

Roz: It did help me yes. It might not work for everybody.

Kevin: And in the nicest possible way this podcast is never about judging what is right, what’s wrong and you have even said that yourself there is no right, there is no wrong it is just what is, what works for me.

Roz: Absolutely.

Kevin: And on that note I would love to sit here all afternoon chatting because I think we would go on and on and I am finding it fascinating but equally I am appreciating that we or you in particular have other engagements to go to so we have got to wrap this up. What I would love to finish on is the right, the wrong and just your way.

Roz: Well I hope this will answer your question. I used to be very hung up on is this the right thing to do and I was trying to find like the right thing to do with my life but I think there are many different paths to the top of the mountain. When I did have that blinding flash of inspiration to go and row across oceans to raise environmental awareness to me that did feel just more right than the other alternatives. And maybe it is just that I chose to stick with this one long enough to actually see it through to a point of success but I am sure there are other ways that I could have found to get my message across. So I think that we very much chose our beliefs in such a way that the world makes sense to us and in a way that we feel happy with ourselves. And so for me to believe that I had a kind of a calling, that this was my mission was to engage with the issue of environmental stewardship and to use my ocean rowing to get that message across. It just meant that I completely committed to it and I think there is a lot to be said for that point of commitment. You know that famous Gerta saying about there is power and magic in that commitment. Once you actually say I am just going to pursue this path to its logical conclusion. I am going to do everything within my power to make this succeed. I found that amazing things started to happen around that.

Kevin: Just because you committed?

Roz: I believe so.

Kevin: Really committed.

Roz: It creates this sort of energy vortex that really attracts people and I have seen this in other people when they are really clear about their purpose in life it lends them incredible charisma just because they are so clear about where they want to go, it sucks people in. In a good positive way. Although I wouldn’t say I am a particularly spiritual person I think that there is a sort of energy that other people can pick up on. When you have got a dream, when you have got a vision and you just will do anything in your power to make that happen people who are less certain about their own direction maybe get drawn to that. When I look back at that sad little woman that I used to be dragging myself out of bed in the mornings and getting on to the commuter train to go to that soul destroying office job and contrast that with how I feel in the mornings now when I don’t necessarily know what the day is going to hold but instead of now marching to my bosses tune I am marching to my own tune. I feel like I am captain of my own ship I suppose. I have got my mission in life and there is nothing that I would change about my life now. I don’t even think that those 11 years in the office were in any way a waste of time apart from anything else they kind of catapulted me out of that life and into the opposite extreme doing something so different. But everything in my life so far has been leading me up to this point where I am now. And without wanting to sound too smug but I absolutely love my life now and there is nothing I would change about it. And just everything that has happened to me so far has helped to equip me with the skills and the character traits that I need in order to do what I do now. And what is not to love about that. You never know quite what life is going to hold but I just have this confidence that it is all going to be good.

Kevin: Roz Savage thank you very much for joining us on the Maximise Potential Podcast. This interview has been deliberately released to coincide with Roz’s current ocean challenge called the Olympic Atlantic Row. So Roz wherever you are right now we wish you all the very best of luck and thank you again for appearing on Maximise Potential. As always we have included plenty of links to enable you to learn much more about Roz’s rowing achievements and her environmental work. We have also included links to her book, videos and also a live location feed for her current challenge.

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Kevin: So now for some updates. I am incredibly proud to announce that we achieved seventh in the European Podcast Awards. Excellent result considering that we are less than two years old and have only 40 episodes to our name so far. Especially as we are up against daily podcasts from the BBC and a variety of other extremely high profile producers.

We have also been very consistent within the top five career and business podcast rankings on iTunes. So it will be a massive boost if you could spend a minute to rate the podcast and leave a review. I have put a link in the show notes which will take you directly to our iTunes page.

For this episode our sponsors the Jenrick Recruitment Group have put together a great help sheet containing key questions that you will often be asked at job interviews with suggestions as to how you can answer these questions to make an excellent impression. Please just send an email to careers@jenrick.co.uk to request your copy and I have put that email address on the show notes.

Here is another great track from Xerxes to finish off with today and it is called ‘Her eg’. Thank you for tuning in today and we will be back very soon. Bye bye.

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About the Author

Hi, I'm Tom Burkinshaw, I co-produce the Maximise Your Potential Podcast and Website and my goal is to help as many people as possible be successful in life, careers and business, by offering free coaching and mentoring through a series of unique interviews from inspiring people who all display exceptional self-belief, mental toughness and desire to achieve. Thank you for taking the time to visit Maximise Your Potential!