Transcript: How I rowed the Atlantic – Richard Hume (Max#36)

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Kevin: Welcome to Maximise Potential the podcast to educate and motivate through a range of original interviews designed to help you maximise your potential. Brought to you in association with the award winning recruitment group Jenrick.

Okay welcome back to episode 36 of the Maximise Potential Podcast and the second instalment of our interview with Richard Hume. The first question that most of you will be asking is how on earth Richard can top an event which was as extreme as the triple Ironman. Well Richard is also one of a very select group of people to have completed the Atlantic Ocean rowing race. This gruelling 3000 mile event which can take over 80 days to complete challenges competitors in ways not comparable to most other endurance events. Dealing with the isolation, the monotony, the sickness in addition to the extreme elements of the Atlantic Ocean can all prove too much for so many people who attempt this incredible event. Yet as Richard will describe in his interview competing in a race of this magnitude is only one of the many challenges that an amateur athlete has to overcome.

Here is Richard once again to take us on another of his incredible journeys.

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Okay Richard I am going to carry on with this very interesting interview now after you have just left me well quite stunned as to how long that triple Ironman event actually took but equally I was also left with how well you performed in it which I just find phenomenal. I mean you are still sitting here just saying well I am an average guy and I look up to these other people and I am sitting here right now going this is pretty incredible. But we are now going to talk about another incredible event that you have done which is the transatlantic row. Two people in a rowing boat you start off from I believe just off Tenerife and you just row right across the Atlantic.

Richard: Yeah through to Antigua.

Kevin: And this is exactly the same row that I know was very publicised when it was James Cracknel and Ben Fogel did it.

Richard: Yeah the same organisation, the same race. They took 50 days and had, it is very weather dependable, they had 50 days of beautiful weather and we had 72 days of different weather. But yeah it was three years in the making or three years in the process of planning and raising the money and getting to the start line. Yeah the race itself was an interesting experience.

Kevin: Well before we get on to that lets talk about the three years in the making. I think most people struggle to commit themselves to goals that are anything beyond a month so let’s talk a bit about.

Richard: When I came upon the race and saw it in an article it was about two New Zealanders who were about to do the first race in ’97 decided there and then that that was going to be one of the races I wanted to do.

Kevin: That was on your original list.

Richard: That was on my list yeah. And I made a few enquiries about it because I just wanted to see what was going on and actually on one of my enquiries with the company that did it they sent me a poster that then sat on my bedroom wall at either school or university or wherever it went it just sat there. Weirdly I met the guy who was on the boat in the photo the other day which was kind of cool, he thought I was weird. Anyway the preparation for that was that I had a few false starts in terms I was telling everybody I was going to row the Atlantic and then they, I got told ‘that’s stupid you are 17/18/19’ whenever I was saying it and then I also had a lot of people who wanted to do it with me because I was actively trying to find a partner. But when you then, people say ‘yeah I want to do it, I want to do it’ and then say well right okay lets go to the pub and sit down and talk about finance and stuff ‘oh I don’t think I can do it’ you know all that kind of stuff. And it was in December 2005 I think it was that I went through all my email addresses and just wrote them the final, final email. And I wrote a few and had no responses back nothing, no replied whatsoever.

So I was like oh okay this is not going too well I am actually going to have to do this on my own. I also then got a phone call in early January from my then, from a guy who was four years above me at university who for some reason I had his email address and just said ‘hi Rich you have completely ruined my Christmas’ and I was like ‘oh hi Tom how are you what have you been up to why have I ruined your Christmas?’ ‘I can’t stop thinking about rowing the Atlantic’ and that was when the process then began.

Kevin: Incredible. I still find it stunning that this was something that you completed pretty much a year ago but you started sending those emails in 2005. It just really again confirms to me the way your, if we want to call it, your mind works in terms of the way you have set these goals for yourself or you have set targets going back all those years coming off the issue with your back and it really ever since then has acted almost like a barometer for the rest of your life.

Richard: Yeah rowing the Atlantic was a very abnormal event to try and pass through people. It took a while to just get people round the idea that you were thinking about doing it. You then go through a stage of not even asking people whether you can do it, it is telling them that you are going to go and do it. You know mum and dad if I said ‘I am thinking about rowing the Atlantic’ it would be a firm ‘No’. If I just turn round and say ‘I am rowing the Atlantic’ they haven’t got much ground to stand on, on either side.

It is also a very expensive project to do. The provisional budget for it is about £60,000 and we saw it as a sort of building project. So we thought it was going to be about an £80,000 project. I had just come out of university I had very few contacts in the business world; I had very little money behind me I knew that I had to start that early to do it. And that is where you know coming back from the last interview it is about amateurs and professionals. But the professionals will have that sponsorship behind them the amateurs don’t and we have to really graft in terms of trying to find the funds. Just trying to get somebody to believe in you and even just to get to the number two of a company you have got to go through the secretary and if the secretary doesn’t believe in you, you are never going to get to the person you need to talk to.

Kevin: Can I ask you it is along this subject but do you actually find that this bit of the process is actually harder than actually doing the events themselves?

Richard: The rowing was the first event that I had ever asked anybody for sponsorship. Some people had very kindly helped for the triple Ironman but they were more we are going to sponsor you I never asked them for it because I knew that at some point the rowing was going to happen and I knew that at some point I was going to have to badger every single one of my friends for ten quid or fifteen, twenty quid and I knew that if I had done that for a marathon or an Ironman or something like that I would be on quite touchy grounds. It is definitely the hardest part of the event; the event is always the cherry on top of the cake. Getting to the start line is the hard part and if you ever turn up to an event and you don’t think that you are going to finish because you are under prepared there is no point even starting. So that really is the hardest part. The rowing is slightly different because it is so long to be out at sea but if you haven’t got the food on board you are not going to last very long.

Kevin: No.

Richard: If you haven’t got the safety equipment on board you are not going to last very long.

Kevin: So where did that sponsorship money I mean you are saying friends but it must, I mean there is no way friends can come up with all of that so?

Richard: Our biggest donation was £5,000 and that was through a friend of mine who had been put in charge of his grandfathers trust fund to be used for charitable causes and we were very fortunate that we were raising money for a charity called Ataxia UK and anything that was given on Just Giving they very kindly gave half back to us to help us cover our costs which is very unusual for a charity to do but a really great way for them to pull in these bigger events for lesser charities. So we raised a bit of money from that. The key one for us was that Tom works for a big company that has a big turnover of mobile phones and they let us have all their second hand mobile phones for a period of time and we sold them on to these companies that buy mobile phones and I think we made about £15,000 and it is staggering the amount, I think it is like £120 for a Blackberry and how many businesses use Blackberrys – hundreds. So it is a really creative way of doing it.

From personal sponsorship we knew we didn’t have anything more than £1,500. Our biggest company on its own was £3,000. So it was lots of little ones. But no we were lucky and we have still got to sell the boat now and if we sell the boat we would have, myself and Tom would have put in about £2,500 so we are still going to be short but we were away from home for five months and you know we raised £20,000 for charity.

Kevin: Exactly.

Richard: So you know it does, we did run an expensive project but it was well worth it. You know only 500 odd people have ever rowed an ocean before but this is something that I have done and not many other people have.

Kevin: So let’s talk about that. How did it happen? How did you train for this?

Richard: The training side of it I was always quite fit and of course the preparation for the rowing took place whilst I was doing the triple Ironman. So the core foundation of fitness was definitely there. Not that you have to be very fit to do the rowing because it is much more of a mental game but I did spend a lot of time putting a lot of weight on. I put a lot of effort into trying to make myself stronger because doing things like the triple Ironman you get weaker and weaker and weaker. And I spent a lot of time in the rowing machine. That was my main principal. I decided it would be quite a good thing to perhaps learn how to row so I had ten one hour lessons so that was a key to it.

Kevin: How much did that help you? Did it open your eyes up to the technicalities of rowing?

Richard: Well rowing an ocean rowing boat is very different. So an ocean rowing boat is a ton once it is fully laden and also little things like on a boat that you would have on a river your hands cross over one another. They never do on an ocean rowing boat because if a wave hits the oar it will smash up into the second oar and you will end up with a broken hand after the first 30 seconds. So there is very different things in terms of technique to it. I also used it as a way to get over my sea sickness because I get horrifically sea sick. And in fact when you go to La Gomera which is where we started and you fly to Tenerife and then you get the ferry across, I was on that ferry with my ‘I am rowing the Atlantic’ t-shirt on and I came off the boat to be greeted by an ITN crew who were filming for another team who were out there holding two sick bags. I had spent the last half hour just being chronically ill. And when I came home I took a friend from Waterloo to Greenwich on the ferry and I got sea sick on that. So I am horrific when it comes to sea sickness.

Kevin: Maybe you have got a unique place in history.

Richard: Even the triple Ironman the last half an hour of the swim when all the pleasure boats came out I started to get sea sick. I mean I am awful absolutely awful. So that was another thing I had to try and get over but didn’t. And then the rest of it was we just had meeting after meeting after meeting. There is so much stuff that has to go on. We had to find a boat to begin with. We then had to refit it, respray it, get all the food, get all the safety gear, get all the medical gear, get all the sun cream, get all the electrics done. I mean the list is endless, absolutely endless. And we were very lucky that my rowing partners father who was semi retired was a similar mindset to me in terms of he likes to get his teeth set into things, he didn’t want to row the Atlantic but he was happy to be our sort of team manager which meant that it took the work load of myself and Tom massively. You know we could literally send him an email saying we need to sort this out off you go and he was worth a million dollars.

Kevin: Incredible you’ve touched on I would say time and time again about the importance of and I think you used the expression how lucky you have been to have people around you to actually shoulder some of this burden, to support you, support crews and what not. Can I ask why you think that they have been so dedicated.

Richard: Because I am an outstandingly nice guy. No, um, I don’t really know I don’t want to tempt fate because they might all disappear but I think people like living with the idea that they have done something. And if they can’t do it they like the idea of knowing they have been heavily involved in it. I mean Julian who helped me with the triple Ironman he’s so clean and so organised it just irritates the crap out of me. But when you are doing a triple Ironman you need somebody there sharp the whole time. You know if I sort of say I would like a ham and cheese sandwich it is made 30 seconds later absolutely perfectly how I like it. That is worth a million dollars. Like I say I don’t want to tempt fate and say that they are all going to be here forever because they won’t.

Kevin: Yeah definitely and I am sure that a lot of it comes back to the effort that they can see you putting in, the dedication that they see you and they know that you are not in, that you are in for this in for a penny in for a pound. You are in this 100% committed and they obviously see that and they say well I am not wasting my time here.

Richard: But most people can’t relate to say rowing the Atlantic until I say I can’t row and I get seasick. And all of a sudden they start thinking oh okay this is obviously a little bit more normal than perhaps it was before I met this guy. And I think then people then want to get involved. We were amazed at the amount of people who you know the guy who did our electrics on the boat he had spent 50 years putting electrical systems in people’s houses he had never done an ocean rowing boat before. He was so intrigued it wasn’t a big job he was just happy to spend hours on our rowing boat just fascinated by the whole process. So yeah the more unique the event gets the better.

Kevin: So let’s talk about the event itself apart from the fact that you know seasick and everything else talk us through what it is like to actually row across the Atlantic.

Richard: Mentally I found it very, very hard. Day four I rang home I wasn’t planning to the first week they said how are you getting on, I was absolutely fine and then I started crying and from that day onwards I realised that if I cried for half an hour a day I could get all that frustration, all the anxiety, all the stress out of my system in that one half hour period and then I would okay for the rest of the day. So bar a very few days I cried every single day pretty much. I learnt little tricks along the way so we took a lot of tinned fruit to begin with because I knew that seasickness was going to be a big problem for me but if I could take something that was easy to go down it was also easy to come back up again. That makes the whole seasickness thing a little bit less daunting and because there is a lot of liquid in fruit you are still absorbing something.

A little claim to fame on the rowing is that we were the only crew that experienced seasickness that carried on rowing. So a lot of other crews stopped waited for the seasickness to be normal again and then they started rowing. So that was a real bonus for us. I got very horrific sort of stage fright with being so near Tom the whole time. It took me 21 days to do a poo just because I just couldn’t, I had nowhere to go, I had no privacy. It was just awful. We took about I think it was about 6000 calories of food per day for 60 days and then 2000 for the remaining 30 days. We took 90 days worth of food. I got stuck on about 1000 I just couldn’t eat the dried sort of astronaut food that we were having. So I ended up eating soup, noodles, haribo and hobnobs. That was what we had onboard.

So you know little things like that just start to grind you down but I always made sure that I was clean. So you know when you do eventually go to the loo or salt sores just make sure that you are clean the whole time. That sort of takes the physical side out of it. I cleaned my teeth every day. You know little things that actually make a big difference. You slowly get into a routine and that routine builds into each day and day in day out it just goes quite quickly.

Kevin: Is that really how it is?

Richard: That is how it is you just have to get a routine. It then gets disrupted when the weather is very bad and you have to go and anchor and you can’t row because the weather is going too strong against you. Then you need to use that period to rest. Really interestingly my back for the first time in my life didn’t hurt once when I was actually rowing it was when I stopped rowing and I was stuck in a cabin for three or four days that it was just horrific it was so painful. So we just did little things like that. You know every day we would jump in the water. Well Tom after day one but after sort of three weeks I built up the confidence to jump into the sea. So after each day we would just jump into the water wash or freshen ourselves up, come back onboard then we would wash ourselves with fresh water because we had a water maker that changed salt water to fresh water and if we did that every single day we just felt a lot more sort of refreshed and reenergised and alive.
The wildlife was fantastic and that was something that really kept me going.

Kevin: Go on what did you see talk about it.

Richard: We saw whales, dolphins. We had what I thought was a tuna fish and so we called it ‘Terry the Tuna’ hanging around us for just week after week and he arrived on about day three and he left us with about two days to go and so I mean that was just staggering. Of course it could have been a different fish but it looked the same. So we had all those fish, we had ‘Terrance the Turtle. I went through a phase of naming everything and so we had ‘Willie and Wilma the Whales’, ‘Bertie the Bird’. We had quite a few birds that we just could not work out where they went at night time because there was nothing around. I mean there was one point where the nearest point of land was about 1500 miles away. And we had ‘Nemo and Nema’ who were two little funny Nemo fish that used to hang around underneath the boat. So that was a real eye opener for me. That was really amazing and to see wild dolphins, to see a wild whale knowing that if the whale decides to swim into you he is probably going to break the boat up you know was amazing things to see.

The tankers we saw were huge, absolutely massive and to see them chugging along knowing that you are there but not being able to see you is again quite daunting. The flat calms seas, the really big seas that we had, the massively hot days and then the horrible sort of dark skies at night time so you couldn’t see where the water started and where the sky finished sort of thing. You know all those sorts of things were just amazing.

Kevin: How vulnerable did you feel?

Richard: Not at all, no we, you know if you go to a new country you go into the airport and you feel instantly comfortable or you don’t. It is a little bit like that and when we went to have a look for the different rowing boats because we bought a second hand rowing boat. We had a look at a few of them and we were kind of like yeah this is good, this is not good, don’t feel very comfortable. We found one that we got in and I just turned around to Tom and said this is it; this is the boat we are going to do it in. So I never felt vulnerable. I felt unsure of myself at times you know we got hit by a really big wave on the third week I think it was and arguably that should have tipped us over even though the rowing boat was self right you still lose a lot of kit. Had it done that and we were only three weeks in so we weren’t a million miles away from land it could have been a different story but the boat just rode the wave and we kept on going and that was a real confidence booster for me. I mean I am not a sea person I have never really spent any time in the sea whatsoever so everything was a learning curve but because I am so strict on myself for preparation I knew how every system worked on that boat. I knew how everything could be fixed if it would break. The preparation was so key I never, ever felt unsure of what we were doing.

Kevin: This is, I mean preparation is something.

Richard: It is such a key because you are doing events that can ultimately kill you and I don’t like the idea of doing an event that is going to kill me. I wanted to make sure that when I went across the Atlantic I felt completely at ease with what I was doing. It doesn’t mean I found it easy but yeah that was.

Kevin: And hence that’s why you didn’t feel vulnerable because you felt prepared. You felt.

Richard: Yeah the only time we felt slightly vulnerable I guess was when a massive great tanker was coming towards us and it didn’t pick us up on the radio or anything and it was just going straight for us. And I was rowing at the time and I ended up turning the boat sort of side on and then just sort of rowing for my life and the boat missed us by about 400 meters. Now 400 meters might seem like quite a lot but when you have got an 800 meter long tanker weight a gazillion tons that if they hit you and went through you would not even know they have hit anything you are not going to play chicken with it. That was probably the only time that, vulnerable is probably not the right word but maybe a little bit scared, apprehensive is slightly better. That was the only time and then we did, the weather was really poor and then when we did eventually hit Antiga it was weirdly an anticlimax but also amazing.

Kevin: Before you do talk about that lets talk about the fact that, that was the first goal pretty much that you wrote down on that list going right back when you were a teenager. If you can remember how did you think that you were going to feel all those years later by doing it and how did the actual event live up to that?

Richard: I don’t think I ever believed I would actually do it. I mean everybody has these goals and aspirations but how many of us actually achieve them. Not very many. So here I just don’t think I ever really believed until the day that we arrived that we were actually going to row the Atlantic. And even when we were arriving we got told that we would see Antiga about 80 miles from land which is ridiculous because the horizon is only about seven miles away. Well we saw it with only about nine miles to go and we were thinking for every single one of those miles between mile nine and mile 80 have we come to the right place, is our compass reading the right direction you know is it there, is it there. And then of course you do see it and you have got a landmark to see how slowly you are going. You know we saw it at six in the morning and we didn’t get there until eight at night, it was only nine miles just because we were fighting against the currents and everything else that was going. So it was a real kind of catch 22. It was fantastic we had seen Antiga but it was also a bit of a pain because we suddenly realised how slow we were going in those last couple of days because the current was so strong going against us.

Kevin: Yeah and when you are out at sea of course without that to influence.

Richard: Yeah we had no idea, we knew how far we were going but you lose concept on how far a mile is because all you see is horizon after horizon after horizon. You get a bit of a reality check sometimes when you see a boat on the horizon and before you know it it’s on the horizon on the other side of the boat. Yes that was a bit of an interesting experience. And then when we actually crossed the finish line there was the boat which had the race organiser on to say we had crossed the finish line. He honked his horn and there was nobody else there we were kind of like hooray there is nobody here what do we do. And we were knackered by that point because we rowed two of us together. Because during the actual race you just row one up the whole time but for the last three days we had rowed together pretty much nonstop because our friends and family were in Antiga we had been delayed so much that they were having to miss work and not get paid for missing work or whatever their situation was. So we got offered a tow in from the finish line the port which was about a mile away and then we got in there and all hell broke loose and we hadn’t seen anybody for the best part of 80 days or 70 days and all of a sudden there was 50 or 60 people there all wanting to see us and cheer us in. And Ben Fogle happened to be on holiday and he had never seen a rowing boat come in so he came down and saw us in. You know my mum was there, all of Tom’s family was there. You are jumping on to dry land and it is kind of like wow the land is firm under my feet which is you know, you then get seasick again from being land sick. Which is a whole different experience.

Yeah we had been radioed into the boat the night before saying what would we like when we crossed the finish line and we said crunchy nut cornflakes and a burger. And we got there and there was a little romantic meal for two of us. I mean me and my rowing partner we got on fine but the last thing I wanted to do was then sit and have a meal with him whilst I hit dry land sort of thing and there we were having a burger and crunchy nut cornflakes. The food was fresh, we had a meal and only 48 hours beforehand we couldn’t see land. All that we thought was in the world was ocean.

Kevin: Is that hence where the anticlimax came because all of a sudden.

Richard: Yes I think it was I mean it was three years of planning and 72 days of actual rowing but for me it was about 15 years of actual dreaming or kind of believing that wow one day I am going to row the Atlantic. It was very emotional. I got off the boat and I spoke to my dad on the telephone, he was back in London and I just started crying. He was like ‘are you there, are you there?’ and I was like ‘yeah I am hear’ sort of thing and it was amazing. And again I remember we had M People on our radio playing as we came in and I went and did a presentation at a school for their sports day about four months later and the choir completely unknown to them sang that song as three of their songs for motivating the kids and that kind of stuff. And I was just sitting there with almost tears dripping down my eyes and I couldn’t let on why I was sort of getting quite emotional because you know I hadn’t been introduced or anything at that point. And of course I got on stage and said ‘guys the song you sang was the song we had when we were coming into Antiga you just made everything flash back to me’. Yeah it was crazy. Just seeing people eating proper food again, toilet paper was just brilliant, diet coke with ice cubes was fantastic. And yeah we finished on the Thursday back in the UK on Saturday and I was back to work on Monday morning.

Kevin: Wow.

Richard: Which was a big mistake I should have taken a lot longer off but I had to go, I mean you know I had bills to pay.

Kevin: Back to the reality.

Richard: Back to reality and I think that in itself was probably a mistake because it never really sunk in. But what was also quite difficult was when you go to the pub and you talk to your friends they are really intrigued and they want to hear about it, that one time that you see them. The following day when you go and see them again they’ve taken in what they wanted to take in, it’s got no relevance to them at all and quite rightly so I would be exactly the same. But then you know I was having to deal with the reality off I have done this thing and nobody really cares. I mean I don’t do it for other people I do it for myself but I would like somebody to at least step up to the plate and say ‘wow you’ve really inspired me to do this or do that’. And that was quite difficult just getting my head around and it took me a long time to get over. I still find going to a night club with lots of people in a small space very difficult. The underground at rush hour I still find very difficult. But I now feel very comfortable when I’ve got my gym kit on and I’m going to the gym which for five or six months at the back end of last year where mentally I was just very drained from everything I didn’t enjoy so that sort of fire in the belly is now coming back.

Kevin: It is interesting that it hung over for so long.

Richard: I think it’s we haven’t sold the boat yet and that is, until we sell the boat all my life savings are in that boat. So once the boat is sold I think I will be able to let go of the whole thing. But I did speak to Ben Fogle about two or three months ago and I just wanted to sort of say thank you for coming. He asked me how I was getting on and I said you know what I have been really struggling mentally to get my head around this because nobody really cares and he said to me, I have never told anybody in the press or anything but I really struggled, really, really struggled and of course he had the advantage of being able to talk about it and writing a book and you know if he was struggling then what’s the random person going to do. It does play havoc with your mind it really does. But it was a great experience I wouldn’t change it for anything and you know when I next really, really, really push myself hopefully I will be able to draw on that experience.

Kevin: Now it’s a year on when you think back to you know how does it feel inside you?

Richard: I am very proud that I’ve done it. There is definitely a little bit of unfinished business and I don’t know what it is. I think it’s you know I rowed the Atlantic with my rowing partner with endless amount of food onboard and I got stuck on 1000 calories. Had we not had all that food on board and actually had food that I found edible could we have done it four/five/six days faster. You know we took endless amounts of sun cream we didn’t use half of it. You know we set up the boat in order to get across the Atlantic and quite soon into it I wanted to do better than just cross it. I felt so comfortable I thought we could do better. And our boat wasn’t set up for doing that. Not that I would change anything structurally about the boat or where we had things or anything like that. There is just something a little bit about unfinished business but because I don’t want to do the same event twice if I were to do it again I would do it as a solo. I think I am just better, I wouldn’t get stage fright. And if I did I would then be really worried.

Kevin: Unfinished business you have said that a few times now. Where is the unfinished business taking you now?

Richard: I want to go number five on the list is bad water ultra marathon which is 135 miles through Death Valley which is 140o heat in California and not only that.

Kevin: Can I ask why?

Richard: I see it as probably the hardest foot race out there. There is lots of variations of what is hard and what is not hard but I think the heat will be a real challenge and to come from a south of England where it doesn’t really get much hotter than 90o to then go out in that sort of heat I think will be a real achievement. But not only is it hot it starts at 280 ft below sea level, it returns to sea level on two other occasions and has three 500ft passes in between so it is a really hilly one as well. But in order to do that I have got to do three 100 mile runs and I don’t have any. So I have got three 100 milers to hopefully apply and then have the right to qualify.

Kevin: Incredible.

Richard: So that is the next one.

Kevin: I am going to wind this down now because I think we have touched on a load of amazing points. What I would be intrigued to know and maybe you can share some of this is breaking events down seems to be a huge part of your mindset of enabling you to achieve these great feats and also having a clear game plan attached to it. I think if there is anything that you can sum up to maybe help other people attack big events and big objectives in their lives maybe I think anything you can bottle up on that?

Richard: I think talking to people about what they’ve done is hugely important and if it’s in the same field even better. But you have got to tackle these things on your terms. You know it would be very easy for me to go and copy somebody’s training plan to go and do the same event that they’ve done but it might not work for me. And I think to have that kind of confidence and boldness I guess to just feed off people who keep telling you, you can’t do it I think is the key. It gets boring when people say ‘oh that’s ridiculous, that’s stupid’ and yet they are the first people to say ‘well done’ when you are finished. But at the same time because they don’t believe in me it feeds me to try that bit harder. That probably doesn’t answer your question at all but yeah I just go out and do it. If you enjoy it and you like the look of it why not.

Kevin: Richard that is a great way to finish thank you for your time.

Richard: Okay you are welcome thank you.

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Kevin: So there we go our second and final instalment at least for the time being from Richard Hume. When you consider that Richard and Tom raised over £80,000 for this event and yet the largest donation was £5,000 it really shows what can be accomplished by consistent and persistent activity. If you would like to learn more about Richard please visit his website at www.challengechaser.com and I will put a link to that website on the show notes.

Thank you again Richard for joining us on Maximise Potential and again to Elliott Cole for putting us in touch. So on to a few news updates. Firstly thank you all very much for voting for us in the European Podcast Awards. The judging is currently under way and fingers crossed we will find out if we have been successful in the New Year.

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Hi, I'm Tom Burkinshaw, I co-produce the Maximise Your Potential Podcast and Website and my goal is to help as many people as possible be successful in life, careers and business, by offering free coaching and mentoring through a series of unique interviews from inspiring people who all display exceptional self-belief, mental toughness and desire to achieve. Thank you for taking the time to visit Maximise Your Potential!